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		<title>By: Will Gregg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Gregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! That&#039;s a great idea! I had never heard of that before now, I think I&#039;ll bring it to 0.0. kplzthx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! That&#8217;s a great idea! I had never heard of that before now, I think I&#8217;ll bring it to 0.0. kplzthx</p>
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		<title>By: Hack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you log on and your ship is in space, put a countdown on before u can warp - say 30 seconds to a min while the warp engines spin up or something...
That way u can&#039;t log in and insta-warp. If they fail to notice local filling up, then get destroyed, they at least had the chance to counter by running...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you log on and your ship is in space, put a countdown on before u can warp &#8211; say 30 seconds to a min while the warp engines spin up or something&#8230;<br />
That way u can&#8217;t log in and insta-warp. If they fail to notice local filling up, then get destroyed, they at least had the chance to counter by running&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jaret Kosh't</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaret Kosh't</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drwu, i think you hit it right on the spot. Seriously, put this to the CSM council.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drwu, i think you hit it right on the spot. Seriously, put this to the CSM council.</p>
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		<title>By: Ecaf Ersa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ecaf Ersa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 07:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you to a certain extent Drwu but a rat with even weak dps and scrammer would stuff a hauler that had innocently logged off at a safe spot.

But even appearing in a deadspace area would make you show in local and give a fleet a few seconds to decide whether to run or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you to a certain extent Drwu but a rat with even weak dps and scrammer would stuff a hauler that had innocently logged off at a safe spot.</p>
<p>But even appearing in a deadspace area would make you show in local and give a fleet a few seconds to decide whether to run or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Drwu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drwu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree this needs to be fixed - here&#039;s a fix...when I log back on, don&#039;t auto warp me to where I logged off, put me in random dead space - with a rat engaging me, make the rat easy to kill with no dps,  but give him an instalock warp scrammer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree this needs to be fixed &#8211; here&#8217;s a fix&#8230;when I log back on, don&#8217;t auto warp me to where I logged off, put me in random dead space &#8211; with a rat engaging me, make the rat easy to kill with no dps,  but give him an instalock warp scrammer.</p>
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		<title>By: Selina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Selina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m probably gonna get flaming hell for saying this but frankly, I do see it as another tactic.

Now don&#039;t shoot me out of existance yet! :) Honestly, it&#039;s NOT a tactic I would use as I actually agree it&#039;s dirty. However, from a certain perspective, one could say its like powering down your ship so as not to be detected and then powering it up to strike at the right opportunity.

In arguing whether that&#039;s fair or not, I&#039;d be curious to know if people think logging off when being camped in a system is fair? I mean, I have a feeling a lot of people who say no to your scenario would be fine with this scenario, possibly even having done it themselves. I&#039;ll admit, I have. Imagine. 15 to 20 man fleet (t1 bc&#039;s, cruisers, and frigs) being camped in a system by 3 times that many (everything under the sun) with more on the way, who knows how many on the other sides of the gate, and dozens of probes out hunting you down....what would you HONESTLY do? Is logging off &quot;fair&quot;?

Just throwing out some extra thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m probably gonna get flaming hell for saying this but frankly, I do see it as another tactic.</p>
<p>Now don&#8217;t shoot me out of existance yet! <img src='http://www.eve-mag.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Honestly, it&#8217;s NOT a tactic I would use as I actually agree it&#8217;s dirty. However, from a certain perspective, one could say its like powering down your ship so as not to be detected and then powering it up to strike at the right opportunity.</p>
<p>In arguing whether that&#8217;s fair or not, I&#8217;d be curious to know if people think logging off when being camped in a system is fair? I mean, I have a feeling a lot of people who say no to your scenario would be fine with this scenario, possibly even having done it themselves. I&#8217;ll admit, I have. Imagine. 15 to 20 man fleet (t1 bc&#8217;s, cruisers, and frigs) being camped in a system by 3 times that many (everything under the sun) with more on the way, who knows how many on the other sides of the gate, and dozens of probes out hunting you down&#8230;.what would you HONESTLY do? Is logging off &#8220;fair&#8221;?</p>
<p>Just throwing out some extra thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Moof</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats the thing I am not sure you can do anything but on the flip side its not up to me to tell CCP how to fix it, they have fixed (nerf) a number of things before and im sure they could do something about this if they put their minds to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats the thing I am not sure you can do anything but on the flip side its not up to me to tell CCP how to fix it, they have fixed (nerf) a number of things before and im sure they could do something about this if they put their minds to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you but the question is what would you like CCP to do to address it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you but the question is what would you like CCP to do to address it?</p>
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		<title>By: Edurardo D'Appaza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edurardo D'Appaza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is possible to do using the in-game mechanics (i.e. not meta-mechanics of log on traps), see the DNS killboard (http://killboard.dirtnapsquad.net/) for the evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is possible to do using the in-game mechanics (i.e. not meta-mechanics of log on traps), see the DNS killboard (<a href="http://killboard.dirtnapsquad.net/" rel="nofollow">http://killboard.dirtnapsquad.net/</a>) for the evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony "EVE's Weekend Warrior"</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony "EVE's Weekend Warrior"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea I hate this tactic.  I really agree with you on this topic.

A logoffski is not a tactic, its metagaming, and it is considered to be a &quot;dirty&quot; tactic by much of the community.

It proves you have no skill on setting up a hot-box, or know how to take one system down at a time and confused a fleet to actually setup a good ambush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea I hate this tactic.  I really agree with you on this topic.</p>
<p>A logoffski is not a tactic, its metagaming, and it is considered to be a &#8220;dirty&#8221; tactic by much of the community.</p>
<p>It proves you have no skill on setting up a hot-box, or know how to take one system down at a time and confused a fleet to actually setup a good ambush.</p>
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